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  Fundraising ProblemJun 10, 2014 4:55 PMCarolyn Little
  RE: Fundraising ProblemJun 10, 2014 5:21 PMJonathan Dorf
  RE: Fundraising ProblemJun 11, 2014 9:18 AMAnn Hileman
  RE: Fundraising ProblemJun 11, 2014 10:55 AMJohn Perry
  RE: Fundraising ProblemJun 11, 2014 9:18 AMAnn Hileman
  RE: Fundraising ProblemJun 12, 2014 8:52 PMConnie Voight
  RE:Fundraising ProblemJun 11, 2014 10:48 AMHeather Brandon
  RE: Fundraising ProblemJun 16, 2014 7:35 PMShira Schwartz
 

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Fundraising Problem
From: Carolyn Little
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Posted: Jun 10, 2014 4:55 PM
Subject: Fundraising Problem
Message:
Has anyone had a problem with a senior who fundraised for a trip, that they backed out of, and then wanted their funds returned to them in a check? I told her no. It is completely unethical. Yet her parents keep pushing. I have been looking at NJ law and it clearly states that it is unethical. Just wondering if any of you have had this issue, what you did to handle it, any laws that you know of, etc...

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Carolyn Little
High School English Teacher
Toms River Board of Education
Beachwood NJ
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RE: Fundraising Problem
From: Jonathan Dorf
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Posted: Jun 10, 2014 5:21 PM
Subject: RE: Fundraising Problem
Message:
Hi Carolyn,
For the future, I think the solution is to make them sign a document noting that in the event that they cancel, all funds raised are, pardon the pun, non-refundable. That way, it becomes a contract that they're signing, and the law will be on your side.
Does what you've read state that it's unethical, or illegal? Unethical is a bummer, but the question is whether they're willing to litigate over it (i.e. how much money are we talking about?). Can you discuss the issue with an administrator? And isn't the money raised going to help some other deserving person with their expenses?
Sorry that you're having this problem.
Cheers,
Jon
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Jonathan Dorf
Playwright/ Co-founder of YouthPLAYS/ Co-chair of The Alliance Of Los Angeles Playwrights
Los Angeles CA
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RE: Fundraising Problem
From: Ann Hileman
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Posted: Jun 11, 2014 9:18 AM
Subject: RE: Fundraising Problem
Message:
Oops. I missed that the money was from a fund-raiser when I wrote my first response. Absolutely involve the school bookkeeper in that case. They are held to very strict accounting laws and cannot write checks to an individual to give them fund-raising money - at least that is the way it is in Indiana. I cannot imagine that your school bookkeeper would write a check to the family.

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Ann Hileman
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Peru IN
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RE: Fundraising Problem
From: John Perry
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Posted: Jun 11, 2014 10:55 AM
Subject: RE: Fundraising Problem
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And if the student does get the money returned, that is considered income and taxes must be paid on the amount.

We used to have separate accounts for trips and each student would raise money for their account. We had to stop doing that because the IRS informed us that that was income and the student's family had to pay taxes on the amount raised. Now all money goes into a central account.


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Atherton High School
Louisville KY
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RE: Fundraising Problem
From: Ann Hileman
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Posted: Jun 11, 2014 9:18 AM
Subject: RE: Fundraising Problem
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The answer is no because deposits have been paid, hotel rooms reserved, etc. I have told students that they are welcome to sell their spot to someone else, but there is no refund available. I also offer to announce to my classes that a spot is available for sale to help the student sell their spot. In the future, make sure you put that wording on the materials advertising the event. Involve your administration or bookkeeper if the parents keep pressuring you.

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Ann Hileman
Indiana Chapter Director
Peru IN
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RE: Fundraising Problem
From: Connie Voight
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Posted: Jun 12, 2014 8:52 PM
Subject: RE: Fundraising Problem
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She asked for money (fund-raised) from a variety of people who spent their money helping to send her on this trip, I would say absolutely not. Those people gave her money, or bought items for her FOR THE TRIP, not for anything else.
They certainly didn't give her the money for her own personal use.
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Connie Voight
Alabama
Randolph School
Huntsville AL
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RE:Fundraising Problem
From: Heather Brandon
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Posted: Jun 11, 2014 10:48 AM
Subject: RE:Fundraising Problem
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I don't know what laws you have in New Jersey, but in California we have AB 165 that disallows individual "accounts". All fundraising is for the group, whether you attend the event or not. It also means that any student has to be allowed to attend regardless of fundraising participation, which is we all hate the law. It came about from a lawsuit from the ACLU. I would involve admin in this case - it's better if you get to them before the parents do.

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Heather Brandon
Bakersfield CA
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RE: Fundraising Problem
From: Shira Schwartz
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Posted: Jun 16, 2014 7:35 PM
Subject: RE: Fundraising Problem
Message:
I would talk to you  administrator. Part of their job is to handle situations like this. And I was wondering what your school district's policy on situations  like this is? I would be surprised if they didn't already have something in place to handle situations of this nature. I would also avoid talking to the parents without your administrator present. Having someone else in the room provides both a stronger position to stand on and, if necessary, a witness to the conversation so that is stays out of the he said-she said realm.

It's a shame you're having to deal with this. *sigh*

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Shira Schwartz
Chandler Unified School District
Chandler AZ
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